Ok gameplays/Tactics

Hard to describe whole gameplays but i can writeup some of my ideas, tactics and solutions that give me fairly good success rate with the khorne team, the necro team and my latest OCC team the norse.

Turn by Turn
First i standup knockdown pieces, then i look for unmarked players and move them in to cover, assist or screen wherever they are needed. Then i look for the most secure blocks i can do and start with the 2 dice blocks, either those besides guard pieces or were i got the numerical advantage with assists. Before i start using the standing blocks i also watch for blitz targets and weight in which is the most important move and do that first. At some points it can be more important using a few blocks before a blitz and at others times a blitz could be required to be made ASAP.

Example: if i got free reign to the BC with my heralds, bloodthirster or any of the BLs at this point, i usualy want to use a frenzy piece as the 2nd try to get a result giving me the injury roll at times are really nice, at other times were the followup frenzy move could be into 2 dice againsts i usualy want to use a BL if at all possible. So that is what goes trough my mind before i start using the blitz move.

Goal for Khorne is and must be to knock down as many players as possible each turn or if you arent marked with all your players, knockdown those that are marked, and move the rest up to screen the ball if your the reciving/ballcarring team for the score.having as few marked players as possible each turn or having the opponents pieces on the floor means that he often only got 1 block on you each turn with his blitzer, and also often means he moves in to mark up you each turn (if its a finess team he will move away and screen you with as few marked players as possible to force you to make that one blitz per turn, just hope for a fail dodge as early as possible then bash down those still standing ASAP)

This gameplay is similar to Norse and Amazon teams they want the opponent on the floor as much as possible or to minimize the number of marked players each turn so the opponent throws as few blocks as humanly possible each and every turn, to minimize that AV7 to give the opponent the number advantage. Khorne sure got AV8 but at times becouse of the frenzy that AV8 seems like much lower. as you cant decide not to followup a failed Knockdown, and therefor endup were you dont want your players, close to one or more opponent pieces.

After all 2 dice blocks, moves and standing up of players i do the ball handling, be it getting the ball or protecting the ball.

And lastly in each turn, also a little depeding on what i have been doing i do either the 1 dice blocks if 60%+ of my opponents are down i start using my 1 dice blocks to either free players or push them into assists or hope for a knockdown so he have to stand up even more players his next turn!

If im moving the ball and starting punching my way trough a flank i start advancing up with the blitzers first, then the free players, then the players i manage to block free with said guard or assist blocks. And then if i have a nice screen setup i start doding and reinforcing my advancing flank with the players in the middle or on the "other" side of the field. as AGI3 dodging without dodge (hey even with dodge) tend to fail at times i do that as the LAST thing each turn. sometimes a failed dodge is so much better than a MB/CLAW/PO player so dodging away from those are priority one, then i move to the less "risky" marked players, hopefully i can move away all of them but at times you will get a ONE and RR into another ONE then you just have to pray to Khorne and nuffle to be gentle when the opponent dash out his PAIN! "The blood god takes and the blood god gives! and nuffle be praised!"

The Defence! "Skulls for the Skullthrone!"
Its time to Organized that defence, standup players, move free players to were they are needed, in support, or in the screening. But some players laying on the ground it can be worth making a mental note over. are they to exposed! then dont raise them up yet, or even can one of those be worth the risk to at end of your turn start trying to dodge out of TZs? Take a few mental moments to gather that info up. Sometimes doding away and reinforcing the defence at spots might be worth it AGI3 dodging isnt THAT bad even when it at times always feels like it fails when it really really cant fail! Now lets head to the next part! the i will hurt you part and always one of the crucial parts of any turn!

Defence play with khorne is mostly as with other bash teams, Blitz a target each turn! the more juicy the better! ballcarrier, killers, or high lvl players! The choice for this is mainly the BT depending if you can get him to not endup in a exposed possition! If your a little worried and cant let an opportunity to be wasted with a 1 roll for WA then used your killer, and same here if your really need/want the blitz but you can endup in an exposed posstion sometimes a less "valuable" player might do the trick as a pitfighter or the BL as he dosent need to followup as the rest of the do (a BL probably is the best choice in these cases!)

After your "daily" blitz is done. Probably with mixed result depending on what blitzed. Now we move to the risky move part!... here you try to bring back those mental notes. and weight of whats to risky and what is worth trying before the other moves? Becose sometimes nuffle just love us and will give you 10 dodges in a row. even a few of those out of several TZ and at others times he will make you fall flat on your face on your first move. But here is when you weight in the risk and the award and start praying!

I usualy start with 1 dice blocks i i got any of those. I have noticed that i have a tendancy to acutally block more with frenzy pieces as even a push result can mean that u get an assist on your next try and get 2 dice to pickfrom instead of the one most none frenzy players always gets. Usualy pick the blocks were that possibilty can happen, then move to the other blocks were i dont gona get that advantage on the second frenzy roll. If were successful. I usualy check for that player i really want to avoid giving a free block on me and try to dodge away from him. if successful i move on until im done or until i fail that dodge roll.

The Blitz! "Blood for the Blood God!"
Picking order for me for main choice of blitzer heralds>BT>BLs

Here is what i LOVE with the Khorne team! Horns! you gota love STR4 on blitzes! And Juggernaut until you get block this makes the BL/Herald/BT blitzes reliable! and frenzy! at the startup to get a "free" reroll if you get Skull+Pushed the follow up frenzy move gives you one more chance go to get Stumbles or POW and thats bash-love!

Thats also the reason i love the BT + heralds x2 + BL x1 + PF x7 roster! you always somewere on the field got a horn/jugger/frenzy (exept the BLs) player close to opponents screen/cage or ballcarrier as you can cover the field better with up to 7 potential blitzers (even if i prefer 3 of those more).

Or if your the reciver you always got one of those 4-7 players close to your "target" be it his killer, his weakest link like a niggling, AV- injured or general low AV player and that must be your main targets each turn. And if your moving the ball trough a flank or opening that blitzer will be your spearhead trough were you will get your screen/cage moving for the TD! And sure BLs got horn, but at times frenzy will mean a bigger chance for a injury roll or a potential surf thats why i like heralds/BTs over BLs!

So each turn i look around on my part of the pitch after my prefered blitzer. if hes marked i look for the next, and so on until i find either a free piece to blitz with or if i got a piece i can block free, either one besides a guard so i get 2 dice, or besides an assist so i get 2 dice. Always always start with the secure blocks as covered earlier.

When you got your blitzer of choice free..... BLITZ!

Ballcarriers
This one can be anyone in a "vanilla" khorne team without an agi upgrade! as all three of the BL/Herald/PF can get surehands as a lvlup. Ideal would be a BL as they have AV7 so keeping them away from harms way is a good compromise! as it is for me i have gotten an AGI 4 herald on each and every team i have created so far (3 teams) so for me the choise is obvious! but if you arent as lucky as me i would recomend a BL as the pitfighters jobb is to keep opponents from bashing in your AV7 and your oftest mostly evolved heralds!

General toughts
Bloodthirster = Depeding on evolution (doubles or not) hes the AV8-10 killer that should be hitting one AV8+ piece a turn!) if you get block he should stop to be the main blitzer (until that point that hes the closest or the only one being able to blitz) and always use him after the more "secure" blocks so when the "rare?" double or tripple skulls happens and loner fails and your RR is wasted and a turnover happens. BT blocks should be one of the last blocks to be thrown! but before other risky moves tho as doding, and 1 dice blocking!

Pitfighers = cannon fodder in general (except your double rolls which should be GUARD any day any time anywere!) and the occational leader you got selected! Guard PF should be protected and even given apoth use, but when to use apoth is always a hard judgment to make. but block, even block, leader PF should be ignored with the apoth really, if its not turn 14-16 then its a weight off if anythings gona happen to your guys anymore.

Heralds = killers/supporters! MB/block/guard/tackle barring stat increases, doubles dodge to make them more mobile.

Bloodletters = three blodgers/guard/SS or a combo of blogers, wrodgers if you like ballstealers. yeah i know having BLs as support is against my opinions to avoid AV7 near harms way but 3 BLs in harms way is better than all 4. And i promise you the opposing teams main blitz will be either your killer herald or the bloodthirster, especially if you have showcased what they truly can do! (or if he has seen what claw pieces can do!) and a PO herald is also maintarget of the blitz, sure once those are out of the way the BLs will be in dire shit but thats way down the road hopefully you will PO kill his killer(s) or foul the shit out of them!

Further down i have writen about my tries with bloodletter as killers with MB/PO/block/tackle but so far none i got lvled far enough to decide if heralds or BLs are the best killers in a khorne team, but to be honest i think its a preference really!

EXPERIENCE
The conclussion i have come to is that i absolutley love Khorne more than necro and probably more than norse!

Have three teams in FOL so far, the first one i had deleted as the name theme was my for a darkelf team that i had deleted to use as a khorne team. but i didnt enjoy the name on a khorne team so in the end, i ended up deleting it. But i got two active teams that doing really well!

Best Starting Roster for me is has been as discussed in another thread= BT - Herald x2 - Linos X7 - Bloodletter x1 - RR x2. which i use for all my teams! Dont like any of the other starting rosters. My goal is to get apoth after first game, then get one BL after another and then a 3RR or leader ASAP.

So far my personal result in total with the Khorne team is as follows: 28-5-11 (Spread over three teams, Fear of the Dark, Litany of Hate, Into the Jaws o Hell) which i think is really nice. My first team i had deleted before i took any statistics but it had 7 losses. And my 4 losses so far with my second team is against these teams.

game 2: DE..........1-0
game 3: Necro..... 1-0
game 5: Necro......2-1
game 13: CD....... 2-1

Same Chaos dwarf team i lost against i then won against in the following matchup, game 13 lost and 14 won =

2-1 win for him: with 1 KO no injuries on him. // with 3 KOs 7 injuries against me.
A 2-0 win for me: with 2KOs, 4 Injuries and 1 death on him! // with 3 KOs 1 injury against me,

maybe im a little sadistic but the death i casued was a STR5 blodge hobgoblin! MOohahaha

So it was really all about who could outbash the other person the fastest! with their killers/claw players really...
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TEAM ONE: Fear of the Dark 14-3-7. Total: 24 games played.

Bloodthirster: Dodge, BT, MB, Guard
So first lvlup was a normal roll went with MB to get the best out of the claw. next lvlup was a double so went with dodge, and then BT and lastly guard.

Experience:
Ok so dodge with BT on a juggernaut player made him insanly mobile. and he managed to get alot of SPP fast! tho when i did throw in a few blocks i noticed something that made me get a little of a bad feeling with this build. Only POW took down opponents and sadly it didnt always come up on blitzes (were he was most reliable) or on normal blocks were his reliablity got affecivly lowered. But with his mobility and guard i always got him placed besides enemy players were he gave assists either after a singel player blitz or after i charged into a pile of them in the mean while hopeing for a POW, as he didnt have tackle and block so both results were "only" pushes with a jugger/dodge BT. Another problem with the dodge BT he went down rather easy against STR 4-5 opponents becouse he lacked the block skill. And that really made me miss block as a first choise instead of dodge.

Perks: Insanely mobile monster able to blitz and then move to were hes wanted, downside= only POW did bring down opponents players, as both down is just a push and defender stumbles is just pushes without tackle. A blodge BT is also easier to take down compared to a block BT.

Heralds
Herald One: block, AGI +1, surehands, guard.
Ok so the Agi upgrade was god sent, and made the ballhandling, ball stealing and passing (either the lineos MVP5 to get 6SPP) a dream. but in the end for some reason, think its the easy access to dodge, i feel like the AGI upgrades should and would feel better on the BL's instead of the heralds. Heralds should be the main punchers after the BT and also the main Support players as they are a given guard-piece. But without a agi upgrade on any BL an agi on the herald is really really nice to have. makes ballhandling much easier to execute without risking to much usage on the RR.

Herald Two: block, MB, guard, tackle
This one didnt get anything special so went with what i see they being= the support and the secondary mainblitzers to the BT for when the BT gets stuck in the scrum or to cover the backfield or other flank for potential targets/ballcarriers/flankers. This build is really nice and i feel/think this will be the standard for leveling the herald.

Bloodletters
If i remember all of them as the team is deleted but i pretty sure i had 2 blodgers and 2 wrodges. got the MVPs from alot of games on them so they all lvled in the same speed.

Linemen general experiences and levelups
So linemen the workhorse and the main force of the Khorne Daemons. Well this one will be easy and i think up to each coach. but i feel block on all levelups. barring/minus the doubles were GUARD is a MUST and should not be overseen or ignored! as it will do wonder, becouse linemen and even the herald and BT will be stuck base to base with every opponent exept maybe a few to agile finess teams who will want to as usual move away from basecontact ASAP. but other than that giving guard all over the board is a must for khorne or they will be outbashed!.

The few coaches that play norse or amazons know that the only way to survive against the bash team is to either knockdown or knockaway everything in base contact for the opponent to raise up or move into base contact on their next turn. And use your blitzers/killers each turn on main targets.

Anyways doubles = guard or your insane! :P
but other than that block over the board. maybe a few wrestlers, but for my playstyle block suits better. second levelup ONE should be a leader. rest is up for grabs. Tackle, Dauntless then i havent had any higher players than lvl3 with any line-o so far. they tend to get niggling or stat injuries really fast becouse they cant decide not to followup on those few targets that you dont manage to bring down and becomes really easy targets for some AUCHY! and apoth is saved for your heralds and for those really really important BL/BT when you cant risk that the regen roll fails. And really to be honest... Line-o's are cannon fodder in the end.
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TEAM TWO: Litany of Hate 11-2-4 Total: 17 games played.

Bloodthirster: block, MB, Tackle
So first lvlup was a normal roll went with MB then on this team nuffle took intresst. second roll double = block, third roll double = tackle

Ok here i got nuffled with skillups and wanted to make this BT to what i missed on the first one in "Fear of the Dark" team. I went for block so he became more reliable when he dont mainblitz, but rather use him on normal blocks with 2 dice instead of 3 dice on a blitz with a assist. But with block skill that makes only SKULLs to totaly fail the actions. So block felt like an ideal choice, both to take down opponents without block and also make the BT not go down to easily This mean i can use the herald killers/ball stealers for all the main blitzes and let the BT bind up opponents and also be more reliable on taking blocks and dashing out blocks.

Perks: More reliable with block, and not "forced" to be the main blitzer with juggernaut to be more of a reliablity. Also harder to take down.

Sidenote: Dont know why but it feels like he lvls much much more slowly as to his predecessor in the first team, hes at 32SPP after 17 games, with block and just got tackle, but main reason i think hes slower on SPP gain is that he isnt the main blitzer as he usualy gets stuck to 1-3 opponents to bind them up. and usualy i use him after other more "important" rolls and i also think (feel) that the other bloodthirster were more nuffle blessed with good injury rolls... but dont know its just a feeling but hes still much much slower in SPP gain and thats a fact in comparisson between the two teams.

Heralds
Herald One: block, AGI +1, surehands
Think that nuffle likes giving me AGI on my heralds this is the second herald out of total three that got agi +1 on the three diffrent teams i got, so far... nuffle be praised!

Herald Two: block, MB, PO, tackle
So here i stared to experiment a little bit. as i got block on the BT i went for a "killer" build and in 17 games hes up on 52 SPP Dead : 2 Injured : 19 KO :ed: 8.
The killer build works out really nice, and as with berzerkers/wolves with frenzy the extra roll on frenzy gives a much bigger chance than other blitzers to get the POW & DEF.STUMBLES results that you so much want! conclusion heralds are a really good option for "killers" in khorne as they get STR access on normal rolls (sure BL also get it but we come to that in the next team) You can even build a killer faster if you want to with MB, PO, Tackle and take block further down the line. But its always nice having the block picked up early, as then the ball stealing herald can do his jobb when opponent leaves a opening or you punch trough for a hit on the ballcarrier. and then the killer can still do his jobb and be a little more reliable without the use of juggernaut (as its only on blitzes)

Bloodletters
LVL.4 blodge,guard
LVL.3 wrestle,dodge
LVL.2 MB
LVL.1 Newly bought

Im still really split about how to build the BLs i have tried a few diffrent builds and really havent decided were to go with them.

Tho the most successful so far is: blodge, guard monster! have come to love it. Hes really hard to bring down as in the about 50 Khorne games i have played they arent the main targets of the opponents with their killers instead they seem to focus on the heralds and the BT until those are gone the BLs kinda free to do their thing give guard were its needed.

Have also played around with wrestle,dodge which are really really good for getting the ball loose. Next skill goal for this kinda build is tackle and/or stripball on the next lvlups which is ideal. But as i have only managed to get him to lvl.3 not lvl.4 or 5 were he gets those skills im not fully sure on this, reason for this, is that i want to have my killers MB/Tackle/PO herald or the block/tackle BT do the blitzing each turn. but sure the moment the ballcarrier gets into a takedown moment the "best" armed piece should be doing the blitzing. atm it is my herald, but if i do managed to get a lvl.5 BL with wrestle,tackle, stripball it would be him i used if hes the closest to the BC.

Linemen General experiences
same builds as before
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TEAM THREE: Into the Jaws of Hell 3-0-0 Total: 3 games played.

Bloodthirster
Still havent gotten a leveup not as "lucky" with MVPs or Injuries as the other two teams as hes still at 0 SPP

Heralds
Still in progress, but first lvl up and only is AGI +1 on one of them.

Bloodletters
LVL.2 MB
LVL.1 Newly bought

Only 1 lvl has been gained and only got two BLs on the roster so far.

Plans for the builds is as follows two blodge,guard and two of them MB, PO, block or tackle as third skills.

Three games played all wins so far and without any block skills on my possitionals. two levelup lino's with normal rolls and block on both so far.
will update the experiences/levelups when the team evolves.
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Anyways these are the only losses so far with the second team Litany of hate, and as i said no statistics on the teams i lost to with the first team that had 7 losses!
Pretty solid statistics for me and my success with the khorne team and the frenzy all over the board (almost) and i really really do like the gameplay/style.

RE:Editing this text over and over to get it to become more easy to read! So stay with me!

я играю норсами уже 4-й сезон в одной буржуйской лиге (2 раза выходил в П-О)к концу прошлого сезона набрал тв за 2000...
после 7 игр тв опустилось до 1800 (и это учитывая уйму колек, требующих замены, как только деньги будут)... Такое снижение тв сильно влияет на игру команды; прошлый сезон: 6-0-2, а этот (пока) 0-0-5
при этом противники, в принципе, тежи самые